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		<title>S&amp;P&#8217;s Responsibilities</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2011 16:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>skimpy</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reading through some of the reactions from &#8220;experts&#8221; to the S&#38;P&#8217;s downgrade of US debt, I see words such as &#8220;irresponsible&#8221;, &#8220;misguided&#8221; and &#8220;inappropriate&#8221; being bandied around. These experts seem to be of the view that in view of all that the US is already going through (given the debt crisis et al) it was [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading through some of the reactions from &#8220;experts&#8221; to the S&amp;P&#8217;s downgrade of US debt, I see words such as &#8220;irresponsible&#8221;, &#8220;misguided&#8221; and &#8220;inappropriate&#8221; being bandied around. These experts seem to be of the view that in view of all that the US is already going through (given the debt crisis et al) it was not correct for the S&amp;P to push it further down into the abyss by downgrading its debt.</p>
<p>Now, the S&amp;P is a rating agency. Its job is to rate debt, categorizing it in terms of how likely an issuer is to honour the debt it issues. It is a privately held firm and it is not the job of the S&amp;P to prevent global crises and save the world. In this case, the S&amp;P has just done its job. And having been following the crisis for a while I&#8217;m of the opinion that it&#8217;s done the right thing (check Felix Salmon&#8217;s article on this; he says the downgrade is more due to the risk of the US&#8217;s <em>willingness</em> to not default, rather than its <em>ability</em>; given that there is no permanent solution yet to the debt ceiling and it issues all debt in its native currency).</p>
<p>If a simple move like this by a private company is going to bring down the world, it is because of screwed up regulations (read Basel 2 and Basel 3) that ended up giving way too much importance to firms such as this. And I&#8217;m sure the US had adequate representation at that meeting in Basel where the accord was adopted, so it can be partially held responsible for the enormous power that rating agencies currently wield.</p>
<p>The bottom line is that excessive regulations based on dodgy parameters have been responsible for a lot of the mess that we see today. #thatzwhy we need strong regulations.</p>
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		<title>Ratings and Regulations</title>
		<link>http://noenthuda.com/blog/2011/08/07/ratings-and-regulations/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Aug 2011 05:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>skimpy</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[So the S&#38;P has finally bitten the bullet and downgraded US federal debt to AA+ from its forever rating as AAA. While this signals that according to the S&#38;P US Treasuries are no longer the least-risky investments, what surprises me is the reaction of the markets. So far, since the rating change was announced after [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the S&amp;P has finally bitten the bullet and downgraded US federal debt to AA+ from its forever rating as AAA. While this signals that according to the S&amp;P US Treasuries are no longer the least-risky investments, what surprises me is the reaction of the markets.</p>
<p>So far, since the rating change was announced after US market hours on Friday evening, only one stock exchange has traded &#8211; the one in Saudi Arabia, and that has lost about 5%. While it can be argued that it is an extension of severe drops in the markets elsewhere in the second half of last week, at least a part of the drop can be explained by the US debt downgrade. Now, when markets elsewhere open tomorrow after the weekend, we can expect a similar bloodbath, with the biggest drop to be expected in the US markets.</p>
<p>Now, the whole purpose of ratings was supposed to be a quick indicator to lenders about credit risk of lending to a particular entity, and help them with marking up their loan rates appropriately. It was basically outsourcing and centralization of the creditworthiness process, so that each lender need not do the whole due diligence himself. You can argue in favour of ratings as a logical extension of Division of Labour. If lending is akin to making shoes, you can think of rating agencies analogous to leather tanners, to save each shoe maker the job of tanning the leather himself.</p>
<p>However, over the course of time, there have been two consequences. The first was dealt with sufficiently during the global crisis of 2008. That it is the debt issuer who pays for the ratings. It clearly points out to an agency problem, especially when the &#8220;debt issuers&#8221; were dodgy SPVs set up to create CDOs. The second is about ratings being brought into the regulatory ambit. The biggest culprit, if I&#8217;ve done my homework right, in this regard was the much-acclaimed Basel II norms for capital requirements in banking, which tied up capital requirements to the ratings of the loans that the banks had given out. This had disastrous consequences with respect to the mortgage crisis, but I&#8217;ll not touch upon that here.</p>
<p>What this rating-based regulation has done is to take away the wisdom of crowds in pricing the debt issued by a particular issuer. Normally, the way stock and bond prices work is by way of wisdom of crowds, since they represent the aggregate information possessed by all market participants. Different participants have different assumptions, and at each instant (or tick), they all come together in the form of one &#8220;market clearing price&#8221;.</p>
<p>In the absence of ratings, the cost of debt would be decided by the markets, with (figuratively) each participant doing his own analysis on the issuer&#8217;s creditworthiness and then deciding upon an interest yield that he is willing to accept to lend out to this issuer. Now, however, with ratings linked to capital requirements, the equation completely changes. If the rating of the debt increases, for the same amount of capital, the cap on the amount the banker can lend to this particular issuer jumps. And that means he is willing to accept a lower yield on the debt itself (think about it in terms of leverage).</p>
<p>Whereas in the absence of ratings, the full information known to all market participants would go into the price of debt, the presence of ratings and their role in regulation prevents all this information flowing out to the market in terms of the price of debt. And thus the actual health of the issuer cannot be logically determined by its bond price alone &#8211; which is a measure that is continuously updated (every tick, as we say it). And that prevents free flow of information, which results in gross mispricing, and large losses when mistakes are discovered.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have anything against ratings per se. I think they are a good mechanism for a lay investor to get an estimate of  the credit risk of lending to a particular issuer. What has made ratings dangerous, though, is its link to banking regulation. The sooner that gets dismantled the better it is to prevent future crises.</p>
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		<title>Successful IPOs</title>
		<link>http://noenthuda.com/blog/2010/08/19/successful-ipos/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 03:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>skimpy</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Check out this article in the Wall Street Journal. Read the headline. Does this sound right to you? MakeMyTrip Opens Up 57% Post-IPO; May Be Year&#8217;s Best Deal It doesn&#8217;t, to me. How in the world is the IPO successful if it has opened 57% higher in the first hour (it ended the first day [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20100812-711240.html" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20100812-711240.html?referer=');">this article</a> in the Wall Street Journal. Read the headline. Does this sound right to you?</p>
<h1 style="text-align: center;">MakeMyTrip Opens Up 57% Post-IPO; May Be Year&#8217;s Best Deal</h1>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t, to me. How in the world is the IPO successful if it has opened 57% higher in the first hour (it ended the first day 90% higher than the IPO price)? To rephrase, from whose point of view has the IPO been the &#8220;best deal&#8221;?</p>
<p>What this headline tells me is that makemytrip has been well and truly shafted. If the stock has nearly doubled on the first day, all it means is that MMYT raised just about half the cash from the IPO as it could have raised. If not anything else, the IPO has been a spectacular failure from the company&#8217;s point of view.</p>
<p>The US has a screwed up system for IPOs. Unlike in India where there is a 100% book-building process where there is effectively an auction to determine the IPO price (though within a band) in the US it is all the responsibility of the bank in charge of the IPO to distribute stock (as far as I understand). Which is why working in Equity Capital Markets groups in investment banks is so much more work there than it is here &#8211; you need to go around to potential investors hawking the stock and convincing them to invest, etc.</p>
<p>Now, the bank usually gets paid a percentage of the total money raised in the IPO so it is in their incentive to set the price as high as they can (and the fact that they are underwriting means they can&#8217;t get too greedy and set a price no one will buy at). Or so it is designed.</p>
<p>The problem arises because the firm that is IPOing is not the only client of the bank. Potential investors in the IPO are most likely to be clients of other divisions of the bank (say, sales and trading). By giving these investors a &#8220;good price&#8221; on the IPO (i.e. by setting the IPO price too low), the bank hopes to make up for the commission it loses by way of business that the investors give to other divisions of the bank. If most of the IPO buyers are clients of the bank&#8217;s sales and trading division (it&#8217;s almost always the case) then what all these clients together gain by a low IPO price far outweighs the bank&#8217;s lost commission.</p>
<p>It is probably because of this nexus that Google decided to not raise money in a conventional way but instead <a href="http://money.cnn.com/2004/04/29/technology/googleauction/" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/money.cnn.com/2004/04/29/technology/googleauction/?referer=');">go through an auction</a> (it made big news back then, but then that&#8217;s how things always happen in India so we have a reason to be proud). Unfortunately they were able to do it only because they are google and other companies have failed to successfully raise money by that process.</p>
<p>The nexus between investment banks and investors in IPOs remains and unless there are enough companies that want to do a Google, it won&#8217;t be a profitable option to IPO in the US. Which makes it even more intriguing that MMYT chose to raise funds in the US and not here in India.</p>
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		<title>Discontinuous Yield Curves</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>skimpy</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think that the equity markets have topped out and have cashed out all my equity and equity mutual fund holdings, and am thus sitting on a pile of cash, which I&#8217;m looking to invest in debt. Happened to check out the websites of a few banks where I hold accounts and what caught my [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the equity markets have topped out and have cashed out all my equity and equity mutual fund holdings, and am thus sitting on a pile of cash, which I&#8217;m looking to invest in debt. Happened to check out the websites of a few banks where I hold accounts and what caught my eye was the discontinuity in the yield curves.</p>
<p>Here is <a href="http://www.hdfcbank.com/personal/accounts/fixed_deposits/regular_fixed_deposit/regular_fd_interest.htm" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.hdfcbank.com/personal/accounts/fixed_deposits/regular_fixed_deposit/regular_fd_interest.htm?referer=');">HDFC Bank</a>:</p>
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<td class="txt_body">1 year 1 day &#8211; 1 year 15 days</td>
<td class="txt_body">Below Rs.15 Lacs</td>
<td class="txt_body">6.00%</td>
<td class="txt_body">6.50%</td>
<td class="txt_body">May 18, 2009</td>
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<td class="txt_body">1 year 16 days</td>
<td class="txt_body">Below Rs.15 Lacs</td>
<td class="txt_body">6.50%</td>
<td class="txt_body">7.00%</td>
<td class="txt_body">August 03, 2009</td>
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<tr align="center" bgcolor="#ffffff">
<td class="txt_body">1 year 17 days &#8211; 2 years</td>
<td class="txt_body">Below Rs.15 Lacs</td>
<td class="txt_body">6.00%</td>
<td class="txt_body">6.50%</td>
<td class="txt_body">May 18, 2009</td>
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<tr align="center" bgcolor="#f1f8fe">
<td class="txt_body">2 years 1 day &#8211; 2 years 15 days</td>
<td class="txt_body">Below Rs.15 Lacs</td>
<td class="txt_body">6.00%</td>
<td class="txt_body">6.50%</td>
<td class="txt_body">May 18, 2009</td>
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<tr align="center" bgcolor="#ffffff">
<td class="txt_body">2 years 16 days</td>
<td class="txt_body">Below Rs.15 Lacs</td>
<td class="txt_body">7.00%</td>
<td class="txt_body">7.50%</td>
<td class="txt_body">August 03, 2009</td>
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<tr align="center" bgcolor="#f1f8fe">
<td class="txt_body">2 years 17 days &#8211; 3 years</td>
<td class="txt_body">Below Rs.15 Lacs</td>
<td class="txt_body">6.00%</td>
<td class="txt_body">6.50%</td>
<td class="txt_body">May 18, 2009</td>
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<td class="txt_body">3 years 1 day &#8211; 5 years</td>
<td class="txt_body">Below Rs.15 Lacs</td>
<td class="txt_body">6.00%</td>
<td class="txt_body">6.50%</td>
<td class="txt_body">May 18, 2009</td>
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<p>Notice the discontinuity? About how for a couple of randomly chosen dates the interest rates suddenly shoot up?</p>
<p>Similarly with<a href="http://icicibank.com/pfsuser/webnews/interest_rate.htm" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/icicibank.com/pfsuser/webnews/interest_rate.htm?referer=');"> ICICI Bank:</a></p>
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<td colspan="2"><strong><span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: x-small;">391 days to 589 days</span></strong></td>
<td colspan="3"><span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: x-small;">6.25</span></td>
<td colspan="2"><span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: x-small;">6.25</span></td>
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<tr align="left" bgcolor="#ffffff">
<td colspan="2"><strong><span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: x-small;">590 days </span></strong></td>
<td colspan="3"><span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: x-small;">6.25</span></td>
<td colspan="2"><span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: x-small;">6.25</span></td>
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<td colspan="2"><strong><span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: x-small;">591 days to less than 2 years </span></strong></td>
<td colspan="3"><span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: x-small;">6.25</span></td>
<td colspan="2"><span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: x-small;">6.25</span></td>
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<tr align="left" bgcolor="#ffffff">
<td colspan="2"><strong><span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: x-small;"> 2 years to 789 days</span></strong></td>
<td colspan="3"><span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: x-small;">7.00</span></td>
<td colspan="2"><span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: x-small;">7.00</span></td>
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<tr align="left" bgcolor="#ffffff">
<td colspan="2"><strong><span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: x-small;">790 days </span></strong></td>
<td colspan="3"><span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: x-small;">7.00</span></td>
<td colspan="2"><span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: x-small;">7.00</span></td>
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<tr align="left" bgcolor="#ffffff">
<td colspan="2"><strong><span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: x-small;">791days to 989 days </span></strong></td>
<td colspan="3"><span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: x-small;">7.00</span></td>
<td colspan="2"><span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: x-small;">7.00</span></td>
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<tr align="left" bgcolor="#ffffff">
<td colspan="2"><strong><span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: x-small;">990 days </span></strong></td>
<td colspan="3"><span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: x-small;">7.25</span></td>
<td colspan="2"><span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: x-small;">7.25</span></td>
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<td colspan="2"><strong><span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: x-small;">991 days to less than 3 years</span></strong></td>
<td colspan="3"><span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: x-small;">7.00</span></td>
<td colspan="2"><span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: x-small;">7.00</span></td>
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<p>Again same story. On certain &#8220;magical&#8221; days, interest rates shoot up. The degree of increase in rates here is much less dramatic, though. Nevertheless this is extremely interesting, and I wonder why. I remember last year going to Karnataka Bank and asking for a 1 year deposit, and they asked me to make one for 400 days saying that I&#8217;ll get 0.5% per annum better for that.</p>
<p>This morning I went to State Bank of India and found that they don&#8217;t offer these special rates. I had a friend check at another nationalized bank and found that they too don&#8217;t offer special rates. Wonder why the private banks are offering it, though. Why it makes that big a difference to them that the deposit is for 990 days as against 991 or 889. Or is it some way to prevent early closure?</p>
<p>In other news, SBI is offering teaser rates for home and auto loans. Their ads have been there all over the airwaves for the last few weeks. They offer 8% for first year, 8.5% for second and third years and then what they call as &#8220;normal rates&#8221; after that. If SBI is getting into teaser rates, god only save Indian finance.</p>
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		<title>Taleb&#8217;s Recipe</title>
		<link>http://noenthuda.com/blog/2009/04/09/talebs-recipe/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 16:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, unlike the previous post, this has nothing to do about food. It is about Nassim Nicholas Taleb&#8217;s recent op-ed in the Financial Times where he gives his &#8220;recipe&#8221; for saving the global financial system. Two of my favourite bloggers Arnold Kling and Felix Salmon have responded to it, but I didn&#8217;t like either so [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, unlike the previous post, this has nothing to do about food. It is about Nassim Nicholas Taleb&#8217;s <a href="http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/5d5aa24e-23a4-11de-996a-00144feabdc0.html?nclick_check=1" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.ft.com/cms/s/0/5d5aa24e-23a4-11de-996a-00144feabdc0.html?nclick_check=1&amp;referer=');">recent op-ed in the Financial Times</a> where he gives his &#8220;recipe&#8221; for saving the global financial system. Two of my favourite bloggers<a href="http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2009/04/talebs_solution.html" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/econlog.econlib.org/archives/2009/04/talebs_solution.html?referer=');"> Arnold Kling </a>and <a href="http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/04/08/talebs-necessary-and-impossible-wish-list/" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2009/04/08/talebs-necessary-and-impossible-wish-list/?referer=');">Felix Salmon</a> have responded to it, but I didn&#8217;t like either so I thought I should post my response as well.</p>
<p>I borrowed The Black Swan from Aadisht sometime in late 2007. I tried starting to read it several times but never got past Taleb&#8217;s childhood stories of his hometown Amioun. I took a couple of months to get past the first 50 pages, I think. And then it was easy reading. I loved the sub-plots. I broadly bought into the main plot. By the time I had finished reading the book, I wanted to ask Taleb to accept me as his <em>sisya</em>. I  bought and read Fooled By Randomness, and liked that too. And then decided to read The Black Swan yet again. It was only a couple of months back that I finally returned the latter book to Aadisht (in the meantime he had bought two other copies of it, and read it).</p>
<p>Till very recently, I would read up any article of Taleb&#8217;s that I could find. I wrote to him a couple of times with my CP, and he even responded. I infact wrote to him about &#8220;<a href="http://noenthuda.com/blog/2008/10/06/on-alonso-and-delta-hedging-and-creating-positive-black-swans-and-louvvu-of-course/">Positive Black Swans and the World of Romance</a>&#8221; and he responded with a &#8220;Thanks Karthik, Ciao, Nassim&#8221;. I had become a worshipper.</p>
<p>However, now I think he&#8217;s kinda lost it. I don&#8217;t think he intends to write another book and so he has nicely settled down to peddling his last theory (black swan). In response to a recent post on studs and fighters, Kunal had said, &#8220;<a href="http://noenthuda.com/blog/2009/03/20/stud-and-fighter-instructions/#comment-1763">He that is good with a hammer tends to think everything is a nail</a>.”. The same disease affects Taleb I think, as he goes around the world trying to force-fit his black swan model to every conceivable problem.</p>
<p>And then I have a problem with people like Taleb and Satyajit Das, and actually with all those ibankers who are asking for bailouts. These guys made full use of capitalism, and made heaps of money, when things were good. And now that their money has been made, they call for government intervention, and socialism. Taleb and Das are different from the other wall streeters because they are calling for full-scale government intervention, unless the other bankers who are only calling for a bailout!</p>
<p>Now that the elaborate intro is done, let us get to the point. Taleb&#8217;s essay consists of ten points. The headings are italicized and there&#8217;s a detailed explanation. For purpose of brevity I&#8217;m putting only the headings here, and writing my comments after each of them. Go to the FT site to read the full points that Taleb has written.</p>
<blockquote><p>1. <em>What is fragile should break early while it is still small</em>.</p></blockquote>
<p>I agree with this. And my take is that competitors need to keep each other in check. For example, if this round of bailouts were not to happen and the biggies were let to fall, no one would grow so big in the future, and even if they did, they would make sure that they were insulated enough from one another. This round of bailouts will make the next crisis (whenever it will happen) worse.</p>
<blockquote><p>2. <em>No socialisation of losses and privatisation of gains</em>.</p></blockquote>
<p>Agree with this.</p>
<blockquote><p>3. <em>People who were driving a school bus blindfolded (and crashed it) should never be given a new bus</em>.</p></blockquote>
<p>Taleb has clearly not learnt his own lessons (fooled by randomness). I might have crashed the school bus once, but it may not be my mistake. the one data point of one bus crash should not be used to decide my career as a driver. One should look at how the driver drove before the crash to determine whether he gets a second chance. Blanket banning of people involved will not help.</p>
<blockquote><p>4. <em>Do not let someone making an “incentive” bonus manage a nuclear plant – or your financial risks</em>.</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s all about structuring. Taleb was a trader and he forgets about structuring. As long as incentives of the employee and the employer are reasonably well aligned, there is no problem with an incentive bonus. The problem in ibanking was that too much emphasis was placed on short-term performance of employees. It&#8217;s tragic that the fall of the financial system has brought to an end what was an excellent compensation system (in principle, mind you; not the way it was practised) &#8211; where each person was paid fairly based on his/her contribution.</p>
<blockquote><p>5. <em>Counter-balance complexity with simplicity</em>.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think the simplest way would be to leave things to the market. Government intervention would lead to a new form of complexity, and in the overall scheme of things increase complexity rather than decrease it. None of the stuff that Taleb has mentioned is easily implementable.</p>
<blockquote><p>6. <em>Do not give children sticks of dynamite, even if they come with a warning </em>.</p></blockquote>
<p>Again Taleb prescribes mai-baap sarkaar. Does he realize that if governments had always had tight control over the markets, the markets wouldn&#8217;t have crashed on October 19 1987, and he wouldn&#8217;t have made any money? (Taleb has reportedly made 97% of his life&#8217;s earnings out of this one event). What is &#8220;complex derivatives&#8221;? And how can you ban it? If you ban it, it&#8217;ll go to the black market. You are better off collecting hefty security transaction tax.</p>
<blockquote><p>7. <em>Only Ponzi schemes should depend on confidence. Governments should never need to “restore confidence”. </em></p></blockquote>
<p>I agree</p>
<blockquote><p>8. <em>Do not give an addict more drugs if he has withdrawal pains</em>.</p></blockquote>
<p>Agree once again. We need to structurally change things to get to saner leverage than what was practised 1-2 years back. Regulations should be simple and principles-based, minimizing chance for regulatory arbitrage. Remember that the purpose of creation of most &#8220;complex derivatives&#8221; in the last 25 years is regulatory arbitrage.</p>
<blockquote><p>9. <em>Citizens should not depend on financial assets or fallible “expert” advice for their retirement</em>.</p></blockquote>
<p>Bullshit. The point on markets not containing information, that is.</p>
<blockquote><p>10. <em id="U2401247897145hmB">Make an omelette with the broken eggs</em>.</p></blockquote>
<p>None of this makes any kind of practical sense. It&#8217;s just an old man ranting. Thanks, guru (pun intended).</p>
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		<title>Tenure Matching</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>skimpy</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the fundamental concepts of finance is to match the tenure of assets and liabilities. That the tenure of source of funds (equity, debt, etc.) need to match the tenure of what they are used for. So, if you need money to tide over till your next payday, you need to take an extremely [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the fundamental concepts of finance is to match the tenure of assets and liabilities. That the tenure of source of funds (equity, debt, etc.) need to match the tenure of what they are used for. So, if you need money to tide over till your next payday, you need to take an extremely short-term loan. If you need to borrrow to fund a house &#8211; an application that has a long tenure &#8211; you need to take a longer-term loan. And so on.</p>
<p>In fact, a common refrain about banking crises is that they happen mainly due to the tenure mismatch &#8211; banks borrow by means of short-term deposits, and then invest these in long-term loans. Most theories regarding liquidity crises cite this as a common problem.</p>
<p>Now, my contention is that this banking/finance rule is just a special case of a much larger rule in life. Remember that funding, or raising money, can be looked at as a &#8220;problem&#8221;. By classifying it as a problem, I&#8217;m not necessarily saying it&#8217;s a very tough problem. All I&#8217;m saying is that it&#8217;s a problem. And when you do raise money, it is a solution to the problem. Thus, the generalized form of the rule</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><em>The tenure of the solution needs to match the tenure of the problem.</em></p>
<p>So before you look for a solution for any problem in life, you need to first figure out about the tenure of the problem. And then generate a list of possible solutions which have similar tenures, and then pick the best among them. And based on my limited anecdotal experience, most people don&#8217;t really appreciate this concept when they suggest, and sometimes even implement, certain solutions.</p>
<p>So on Monday I called up a friend and told her that I was going through a strong bout of NED and we should meet up. She started philosophising and said that this is a fundamental problem and that I should think of a fundamental solution. That I should get a new hobby, or learn a new instrument, or some such long-term thing. Of course, I know myself better than she does, and so I knew that my problem was short-term, and so all I needed was a nice evening out. A short term solution to a short term problem.</p>
<p>On the other hand, during my previous job, I used to go through prolonged periods of NED. A little analysis revealed that the fundamental reason for this NED was my job, and that until I got a new one, I wouldn&#8217;t be happy. It was a long-term problem that deserved a long-term solution &#8211; of finding another job. However, most of the advice I got for my NED was of the nature of &#8220;go get drunk, you will be fine&#8221;.</p>
<p>My mother also doesn&#8217;t seem to appreciate this tenure concept. Nowadays I&#8217;m afraid to crib to her about anything, because if I crib, she assumes it&#8217;s a long-term problem and suggests that I should get married and that she&#8217;ll intensify her efforts in the arranged-marriage market.</p>
<p>Yes &#8211; people not appreciating this tenure concept is a long-term problem. The solution to this should also, thus, be long-term. They need to be taught such a lesson regarding this, that they won&#8217;t forget this concept for the rest of their lives.</p>
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		<title>The ibank bailout</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 10:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>skimpy</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[After the Fed bailed out Bear Stearns and arranged for its sale to JP Morgan, I blogged saying that the Fed hadn&#8217;t done the right thing, and was now creating a situation of moral hazard. When Lehman was in trouble, I said that this was a good time for the Fed to make amends for [...]]]></description>
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<li>After the Fed bailed out Bear Stearns and arranged for its sale to JP Morgan,<a href="http://noenthuda.com/blog/?p=49"> I blogged</a> saying that the Fed hadn&#8217;t done the right thing, and was now creating a situation of moral hazard.</li>
<li>When Lehman was in trouble,<a href="http://noenthuda.com/blog/?p=926"> I said that </a>this was a good time for the Fed to make amends for not allowing Bear to fail. Reputed commentors such as Michael Lewis backed up my claims (sorry, i&#8217;m too lazy to find links). And the Fed seemed to take our suggestion. And Lehman was allowed to fail</li>
<li>Now, following Lehman&#8217;s collapse (and I&#8217;m not sure if there&#8217;s a causality here), the entire global financial system is in trouble. No one is lending to each other (remember that in my original post I had said that the point of removing the moral hazard is that no one will lend to bad banks. Based on that it&#8217;s like as if all banks are bad now). The remaining banks are going down one by one.</li>
<li>It seems like the Lehman collapse is just a small part of the larger picture, and if things continue to go bad the way they&#8217;ve been, it&#8217;s even likely that the impact of the Lehman collapse will not be major compared to the total size of the crisis.</li>
<li>So the real danger is that by the time the crisis is over and everyone has recovered (it&#8217;ll take a long time indeed for this to happen), people would&#8217;ve forgotten about Lehman. Forgotten that banks are not necessarily too big to fail (and given how bad things have got, the Fed cannot allow more banks to fail). Forgotten that no one will bail out the creditors if someone in the system tells jai. And people will go back to their old bad habits</li>
<li>Important question to ask here is the role of the Lehman collapse in the magnitude of the current crisis. There definitely has been some impact, but it would be interesting to see exactly how much. Would this collapse have been as bad had Bear been allowed to fail when it was about to fail? How much incremental damage was done to the system in the six months between the two major ibank failures?</li>
<li>In hindsight it seems like the Fed might have done better in letting Bear fail rather than letting Lehman fail; actually we aren&#8217;t even sure of this.</li>
<li>The question remains as to how discipline will be ensured in the system, without too many restrictions, once the system is back up on its feet (it&#8217;s going to take a long time, mind you). Maybe we will see smaller banks. Large networks of smaller banks, with none too big to fail. Yes, there will be continuous churn, wiht banks failing continuously and new banks coming up to replace them. Banks will be more ruthless in dealing with each other.</li>
<li>But how does one ensure that the system goes into this particular steady state, and not any other, once it&#8217;s back up?</li>
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		<title>Buying pickles in Sringeri</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 10:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#8217;s what i did immediately before I proceeded to the VidyaShankara temple to look for porn. I spent half an hour at the Sri VidyaShankara Home Products store buying pickles and other assorted condiments. I ended up buying a bottle of Appe Midi Mango pickle (made out of whole uncut tiny mangoes). Then one bottle [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s what i did immediately before I proceeded to the VidyaShankara temple to <a href="http://skthewimp.livejournal.com/183134.html" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/skthewimp.livejournal.com/183134.html?referer=');">look for porn</a>. I spent half an hour at the Sri VidyaShankara Home Products store buying pickles and other assorted condiments. I ended up buying a bottle of Appe Midi Mango pickle (made out of whole uncut tiny mangoes). Then one bottle of Amla (nallikai) thokku &#8211; a kind of chutney made with full amlas. My mom later told me she was keen we bought this because I usually don&#8217;t eat the fruit in amla pickles, and that it&#8217;s good for health.</p>
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<p>We also bought a number of other things &#8211; jackfruit papad, fried peanuts, banana chips,? etc. The killer was what the shop had nicknamed as <em>Brahmagranthi Nibedhini</em> or something to that effect. it&#8217;s some ayurvedic solution which can cure the common cold. I actually tried it sometime last week when a cold seemed imminent and it worked! All you need to do is to just take a drop between your thumb and forefinger, rub them together and then sniff. In a few minutes, the cold will be clear.</p>
<p>Now that I&#8217;ve told you what I bought, let me come to the point of this post. It&#8217;s about the shop&#8217;s business model. The shop has figured out that if they rely only on tourists coming to Sringeri, they won&#8217;t be able to sell too much. So they have this unique formula for door delivery. All you need to do is to call them up and give your order and your address. They will then courier the products to you. And after you receive them, you mail back a demand draft.</p>
<p>I found this interesting. Basically in order to expand their business, they are taking a huge risk (of not being paid at all). Actually, this reminds me of the ICICI Bank/SBI business model. In order to &#8220;grow&#8221;, you give out more loans, with less guarantee that they&#8217;ll be paid back. If they are paid back, you make a small profit. Else, you make a huge loss. Actually this pickle business &#8211; if you look at the flow of cash/kind &#8211; is exactly like the lending business. And here too, if you default once, they won&#8217;t give you any products the next time you call them &#8211; like you getting a bad credit score in banking.</p>
<p>Given that they are based out of Sringeri, and procure most of their products from around the area, it&#8217;s going to be tough (and really expensive) for them to relocate to Bangalore. However, I think they might do well if they go online. When they can get customers to pay them by means of a credit card and then send the goods. Which is the same mechanism that is used for all things bought online. I wonder why they haven&#8217;t done it so far. Or maybe they want to build their reputation further before they ask people to trust them.</p>
<p>Having consumed the products mentioned in the beginning of this post for about three weeks now, I must say that all of them are excellent. And the rates are reasonable too &#8211; fifty rupees for a bottle of appe midi mango pickle (i&#8217;m not sure how much they&#8217;ll add for shipping. I just guess they&#8217;ll charge the actual courier charges they incur). I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;ll be ordering some stuff from them over the phone in a few days time (once I&#8217;ve finished off all that I bought).</p>
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		<title>Accountants and Engineers</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 17:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;m currently reading Nassim Nicholas Taleb&#8217;s Fooled by randomness. Have read some fifty pages so far. Like his later book The Black Swan, this too contains totally awesome fundaes. And contrary to reports that I&#8217;ve heard, it&#8217;s extremely easy reading. Either it&#8217;s because of my familiarity with derivatives or because I&#8217;m just coming off Chaos [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m currently reading Nassim Nicholas Taleb&#8217;s <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Fooled-Randomness-Hidden-Chance-Markets/dp/0812975219/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1207711933&amp;sr=8-1" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.amazon.com/Fooled-Randomness-Hidden-Chance-Markets/dp/0812975219/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8_amp_s=books_amp_qid=1207711933_amp_sr=8-1&amp;referer=');"><em>Fooled by randomness</em></a>. Have read some fifty pages so far. Like his later book <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Black-Swan-Impact-Highly-Improbable/dp/1400063515/ref=pd_bbs_2?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1207711933&amp;sr=8-2" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.amazon.com/Black-Swan-Impact-Highly-Improbable/dp/1400063515/ref=pd_bbs_2?ie=UTF8_amp_s=books_amp_qid=1207711933_amp_sr=8-2&amp;referer=');"><em>The Black Swan</em></a>, this too contains totally awesome fundaes. And contrary to reports that I&#8217;ve heard, it&#8217;s extremely easy reading. Either it&#8217;s because of my familiarity with derivatives or because I&#8217;m just coming off <a href="http://www.amazon.com/CHAOS-James-Gleick/dp/0749386061/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1207712033&amp;sr=1-2" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.amazon.com/CHAOS-James-Gleick/dp/0749386061/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8_amp_s=books_amp_qid=1207712033_amp_sr=1-2&amp;referer=');">Chaos </a>by James Gleick, which I found extremely difficult to read, and struggled to finish.</p>
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<p>Now that that digression is done; in this book Taleb talks about the transformation of Wall Street in the 1980s. With the development of exotic derivatives, and as products became more sophisticated, MBAs and accountants found it difficult to cope. It was simply too much math for them. And they got replaced by Mathematical Physicists of Russian, French, Chinese and Indian origin. People who weren&#8217;t necessarily the most practical, but people who were completely at ease with the model. Soon they started recruiting more of their types, and i you look now, Wall Street is filled with people from a math background, and few MBAs work there (I&#8217;m talking about the derivatives division; MBAs do exist in large numbers inside the wall; the models there don&#8217;t get too complex, right?).</p>
<p>Similarly, in India, currently, the investment banking industry is dominated by Chartered Accountants, with even a large number of the MBAs there coming from a commerce kind of background. As regulations ease and products become more developed, it is likely that these guys are going to find the models too hot to handle, and make way for engineers, or MBAs from an engineering background. And hopefully, the day isn&#8217;t too far when we can see the Indian financial industry being dominated by engineers.</p>
<p>The recent forex derivatives &#8220;cheating&#8221; cases might be the first indicator of accountants finding things too hot to handle. Most CFOs, who sign off on these derivative products are from an accounting background, and understand little about the products they are getting into. It is only when the cash flows show up in the books that they realize they&#8217;ve gotten into a bad deal and then cry murder.</p>
<p>I wonder why companies still trust their CFOs (from an accounting background) when they get into complex financial products. They should instead hire bright engineers with a good knowledge of derivatives (i.e. people like me) in order to help them get into proper contracts. Accountants should just remain accountants.</p>
<p>Sometimes one wonders if the tight RBI regulations that prevent the development of new complex products are a conspiracy by the CAs to retain control of their turf.</p>
<p><strong>Postscript</strong><br />
On the way home from work this evening, I learnt about the dangers of leverage, and why it is especially dangerous when the situation is volatile. I was reading <em>Fooled by Randomness</em>. More importantly from the leverage perspective, I was sitting in the last seat of the bus.</p>
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