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	<title>Comments on: On Alonso and Delta Hedging and Creating Positive Black Swans (and louvvu of course)</title>
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		<title>By: Shiva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shiva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, now I see more.  Should&#039;ve read this  first - before I responded to your other post (Rahul chat, compound option etc). 

Continue to find the options analogy highly entertaining - but I&#039;ve a bunch of quibbles.

You talk here of &quot;measurement&quot;.  And I saw the link to &quot;quantum states&quot;. But am still not sure if your use is the same as mine below (but it could be).

You were/are sitting on an underlying asset - the babe or the relationship or friendship - with a potential future (binary) payoff.  (At least those are the terms in which you view the &quot;payoff&quot;). 

But you are in an incomplete info setting. The underlying does not trade (beacuse you avoid a certain type of woman), and its true current value could be much higher or lower than your current estimate. (I.e. jumps).

Besides, unlike your 2-state example in the link, you recognize that there are mulitple (4?) states corresponding to AIDA. I.e. your &quot;measurements are required over time - to reveal the true state at that time. And you *assume* that vol will go down as the state &quot;progresses&quot;. (Negative correlation).  Your &quot;model&quot; of future information (i.e. volatility) is whatever AIDA means (don&#039;t know any MBA-stuff; but I saw the link). If and when you&#039;ve been down the relationship path a few times, you might be less sanguine about vol. 

So with all the &quot;imperfections&quot; above, you still want to use the delta-hedge label?!  Why not stick with humble, plain-old &quot;hedging&quot; instead. 

Also note that since, as you point out, the upside-downside total &quot;hedged&quot; payoff is asymmetric (unlimited/flat) - that&#039;s a further nail in any &quot;hedge&quot; label.

You may want to think of phrasing your (regardless-of-labels, highly insightful) discussion of &quot;hedging&quot; in the pursuit of women  as the more commonplace &quot;acquisition of human capital&quot; that many of us do as we &quot;learn by doing&quot; at our jobs. 

Last point: this post + my other reply to the compound option thing makes me think a good analogy is the R&amp;D process (of a typical, say, pharma firm) in a real option framework. There are academic papers on this.

Really-Last point: The ordinary guy on the street when asked what &quot;hedge&quot; to use when pursuing a woman would probably suggest the time-honored playing-the-field or stable-of-horses strategy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, now I see more.  Should&#8217;ve read this  first &#8211; before I responded to your other post (Rahul chat, compound option etc). </p>
<p>Continue to find the options analogy highly entertaining &#8211; but I&#8217;ve a bunch of quibbles.</p>
<p>You talk here of &#8220;measurement&#8221;.  And I saw the link to &#8220;quantum states&#8221;. But am still not sure if your use is the same as mine below (but it could be).</p>
<p>You were/are sitting on an underlying asset &#8211; the babe or the relationship or friendship &#8211; with a potential future (binary) payoff.  (At least those are the terms in which you view the &#8220;payoff&#8221;). </p>
<p>But you are in an incomplete info setting. The underlying does not trade (beacuse you avoid a certain type of woman), and its true current value could be much higher or lower than your current estimate. (I.e. jumps).</p>
<p>Besides, unlike your 2-state example in the link, you recognize that there are mulitple (4?) states corresponding to AIDA. I.e. your &#8220;measurements are required over time &#8211; to reveal the true state at that time. And you *assume* that vol will go down as the state &#8220;progresses&#8221;. (Negative correlation).  Your &#8220;model&#8221; of future information (i.e. volatility) is whatever AIDA means (don&#8217;t know any MBA-stuff; but I saw the link). If and when you&#8217;ve been down the relationship path a few times, you might be less sanguine about vol. </p>
<p>So with all the &#8220;imperfections&#8221; above, you still want to use the delta-hedge label?!  Why not stick with humble, plain-old &#8220;hedging&#8221; instead. </p>
<p>Also note that since, as you point out, the upside-downside total &#8220;hedged&#8221; payoff is asymmetric (unlimited/flat) &#8211; that&#8217;s a further nail in any &#8220;hedge&#8221; label.</p>
<p>You may want to think of phrasing your (regardless-of-labels, highly insightful) discussion of &#8220;hedging&#8221; in the pursuit of women  as the more commonplace &#8220;acquisition of human capital&#8221; that many of us do as we &#8220;learn by doing&#8221; at our jobs. </p>
<p>Last point: this post + my other reply to the compound option thing makes me think a good analogy is the R&amp;D process (of a typical, say, pharma firm) in a real option framework. There are academic papers on this.</p>
<p>Really-Last point: The ordinary guy on the street when asked what &#8220;hedge&#8221; to use when pursuing a woman would probably suggest the time-honored playing-the-field or stable-of-horses strategy.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 18:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wimpy

What a worshtax blog post. What is the matter with you? The day you start comparing chicks to put options and AIDA  frameworks, I think you have lost it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wimpy</p>
<p>What a worshtax blog post. What is the matter with you? The day you start comparing chicks to put options and AIDA  frameworks, I think you have lost it.</p>
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		<title>By: mercury</title>
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		<dc:creator>mercury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 13:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the process of flirting says a lot to the girl. Hedging losses here may not put you in a favorable position. So it should really be a masterpiece else will come across as cowardly. But given that women like to be flirted with, i am guessing she will keep it. 2p- dont expect a reply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the process of flirting says a lot to the girl. Hedging losses here may not put you in a favorable position. So it should really be a masterpiece else will come across as cowardly. But given that women like to be flirted with, i am guessing she will keep it. 2p- dont expect a reply.</p>
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		<title>By: skimpy</title>
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		<dc:creator>skimpy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 11:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i understand what you are talking about da. thanks a lot. will make sure i&#039;ll protect her privacy and all taht.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i understand what you are talking about da. thanks a lot. will make sure i&#8217;ll protect her privacy and all taht.</p>
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		<title>By: skimpy</title>
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		<dc:creator>skimpy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 11:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah
i&#039;ve decided to give her exclusivity to that masterpiece :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah<br />
i&#8217;ve decided to give her exclusivity to that masterpiece <img src='http://noenthuda.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Namy</title>
		<link>http://noenthuda.com/blog/2008/10/06/on-alonso-and-delta-hedging-and-creating-positive-black-swans-and-louvvu-of-course/comment-page-1/#comment-225</link>
		<dc:creator>Namy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 10:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good luck!!! As Hari says, might not be the best idea to blog the mail, if you&#039;re hoping for a long-term positive result out of all this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good luck!!! As Hari says, might not be the best idea to blog the mail, if you&#8217;re hoping for a long-term positive result out of all this.</p>
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		<title>By: harithekid</title>
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		<dc:creator>harithekid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 09:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bow to your extreme cheapness, as you have truly described in your gtalk conversation, this is truly awesome and immodest. 

Good luck da, but just be a little more circumspect about being public about the details of your interactions with her should things take the course all of us wish for it to take.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bow to your extreme cheapness, as you have truly described in your gtalk conversation, this is truly awesome and immodest. </p>
<p>Good luck da, but just be a little more circumspect about being public about the details of your interactions with her should things take the course all of us wish for it to take.</p>
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		<title>By: skimpy</title>
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		<dc:creator>skimpy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 05:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hehe thanks da. 

there&#039;s no liquidity in the market. it&#039;s all OTC. 

and yeah - you&#039;re right in the sense that the minute minutes of happiness you get by direct blading aren&#039;t worth that much to me. for me, blading is a lot of pain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hehe thanks da. </p>
<p>there&#8217;s no liquidity in the market. it&#8217;s all OTC. </p>
<p>and yeah &#8211; you&#8217;re right in the sense that the minute minutes of happiness you get by direct blading aren&#8217;t worth that much to me. for me, blading is a lot of pain.</p>
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		<title>By: skimpy</title>
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		<dc:creator>skimpy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 05:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i agree with the risk that you&#039;ve mentioned here. tomorrow i&#039;ll publish my conversation with Rahul RG on this subject. he deals with these issues more technically.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i agree with the risk that you&#8217;ve mentioned here. tomorrow i&#8217;ll publish my conversation with Rahul RG on this subject. he deals with these issues more technically.</p>
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		<title>By: skimpy</title>
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		<dc:creator>skimpy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 05:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah; that&#039;s where I remember it from. don&#039;t remember whether it was from the canceled CAT or from the real one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah; that&#8217;s where I remember it from. don&#8217;t remember whether it was from the canceled CAT or from the real one.</p>
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